Kim Gordon on Grimes, Spice Girls, and Caitlyn Jenner

Kim Gordon and Bret Easton Ellis discuss the 2015 MTV Video Music Awards, Girl in a Band, the nihilism of Lana Del Rey, returning to Los Angeles after living in New York City, and the success of Sonic Youth.

“We didn’t really have expectations about being hugely commercial, and I don’t think ever. And I think everyone else did after Nirvana broke. People would say oh don’t you think your record is going to be as big and we’d be like, “No are you crazy? What’s your logic?””